Wednesday, July 8, 2009

How to Win Arguments

This post would fall under the "advice" part of my blog. You probably guess that I have a decent sized ego, and rightly so in most cases. I have way too many talents, skills, hobbies and interests that I excel at but few are on par with my ultimate ability, persuasion.

I want to maybe help you, my loyal readers, with your persuasion skills. To give you a brief rundown of my persuasion experience:

I worked for a retail store for 4 years catching employee theft and interrogated HUNDREDS of employees into admitting theft, often with very little evidence or just on a hunch. I caught an accounting employee stealing cash who ended up admitting to stealing roughly $1 Million dollars over a number of years. After getting a cashier to admit stealing many items, I even drove her to her house while we recovered all the items conveniently gift wrapped under the christmas tree (that's how ruthless I was at one point). Here is a brilliant line I would say when I knew someone was stealing but I didnt know exactly what:

Me : "John, I know all about it, just be honest with me...how many computers have you gotten away with here?

John: "What!? Computers!!?? I never took no computers! All I ever took was a cd or two, but I swear that was it!"

Heh, tricked into an admission so easily.


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Then I ended up going into sales, where I really started profiting heavily. I convinced complete strangers to sign contracts for tens of thousand of dollars daily. Eventually I started my own businesses with one of them strictly dealing with negotiation.

Anyways, enough with the chatter, I want to help you win arguments. You may have to somewhat pay attention to this, and it will take some concentration and practice on your behalf, but it's worth it. An argument could be anything that someone questions you on or states to you. Maybe your friend says something like

"your blog is stupid."

Or they say

"why do you waste time blogging all day?"

The number one rule on any debate or argument is NOT TO GET DEFENSIVE. You cannot make the deadly mistake of trying to defend yourself at this point, you will lose. If you lose your cool or throw a tantrum, you have lost the argument as well. So stay calm, Mr C is gonna help you out.




If they make a statement like "Your blog is stupid."

You must at this point turn the conversation around, or clarify it. You may respond to this by saying something like "no its not, I have 1000 followers who comment all the time and love it!" That didn't win the argument did it? Also what you just said was a logical fallacy, but fallacies are something way beyond the scope of this. A great way to respond to a statement like this is, "What exactly do you mean?", or "Why do you say that?". This will force them to reduce their silly statement down to specifics, which will then either get to the real point of their thinking, or it will just make them implode trying to think of a valid reason they said that. Either way, you just continue to keep asking for more specifics by asking "How so", or "be more specific". This I guarantee you will frustrate the hell out of them, and have now managed to make them prove their own point, instead of you arguing theirs. :)



If they give you a question like "why do you waste time blogging all day?"

You cannot start giving reasons in order to try to defend yourself. Remember if you are arguing from their point, you will always lose. The proper thing to do is to shove the question right back at them and not take hold of it yourself. Answer these questions with "What answer would satisfy you?"

This throws them right off guard, clarifies the concern, and doesn't allow you to take ownership of the argument. They will probably respond with something like "I dont know, thats why I asked", and you just have to start clarifying and reducing the question down to specifics. "What answer are you looking for?", "How do you mean?", "Why do you ask?" are all great clarifying questions that will bring the argument down to specifics, and you will easily win everytime. Most likely the reason they said these things are because of one or two little concerns that probably had nothing to do with the initial statement where you can just simply turn it around by asking something like "what the hell does that have to do with blogging, can't you see your statement was ridiculous?" Then they have to argue their point, which they won't be able to and you win.

So remember...

  1. Never get defensive.
  2. Change the question. ("what exactly do you mean?", "what answer would satisfy you?")
  3. Clarify and Reduce to specifics ("how so", "in terms of what?", "be more specific")
  4. Make them argue their own point, which is hilariously funny to watch. (try saying "Are you not happy with yourself or something?" during this stage, it makes them feel like shit!)



Another great way to win an argument is to change the subject! Now its not the stupid idea of just blatantly cutting them off, but you have to throw a decoy out there. You may have done this before but didnt realize how powerful a tactic it is. Say you and your lover are fighting and he accuses you of cheating, just bring up the time you caught him texting that chubby girl he met at the store, and now he has to defend that point which will again be hilarious to watch! Once you throw a good decoy out there, the initial argument will be nulled so long as you let them both go.



You can also use the decoy tactic in everyday life. Lets say you are buying a car, and the salesman mentions something like "this car comes in green. blue and yellow." Maybe you secretly want yellow, but all of a sudden you could make the fact that it doesnt come in red the biggest concern! This now takes priority and you can now leverage the fact that it doesnt come in red to your advantage, by "I guess I would settle for the yellow one if it was wayyyyyy cheaper....sigh"



I hope this hasn't been too complicated for you, but I know that most of my bloggy friends here do seem intelligent enough to grasp these concepts. If this shit bores you, let me know and if you want more advice like this let me know too.



48 comments:

katiedotcom July 8, 2009 10:39 PM  

Big Ego=Compensation.

Just saying.

Spatzi July 8, 2009 10:55 PM  

Ha ha, Katie. Nice.

Fascinating, I will have to try your tips... dun dun dun.

Melissa July 8, 2009 11:53 PM  

Great post and advice! Do you read body language too? Seriously. If ya do, please do that next for your advice column.

J.J. in L.A. July 9, 2009 1:59 AM  

I'm very persuasive...of course, the wheelchair probably helps. ; )

the girl with the pink teacup July 9, 2009 2:50 AM  

Nice work, Mr C, as always.

The only way this post could've been better was if it featured boobies. Dude, you've totally overlooked how persuasive those things can be! Most chicks with a decent rack have no need of your excellent tutorial - they've got two of the best persuasion tools known to humankind. But for the feebler (male) sex, this should come in handy when dealing with other males. They've got no fucking chance using it on a girl - the boobies will always be the best comeback.

otin July 9, 2009 3:04 AM  

I always assume that I am right! That is my way of arguing!

Al July 9, 2009 3:07 AM  

Awesome advice! i will put in to play tomorrow... i better win. :)

M.J. July 9, 2009 3:55 AM  

Great advice. Mr. C you are one smart cookie, not to mention totally condescending ;) I couldn't help but notice your strategy assumes that the other person flounders when made to talk specifically or to explain himself...

mo.stoneskin July 9, 2009 4:45 AM  

"You probably guess that I have a decent sized ego, and rightly so in most cases. I have way too many talents, skills, hobbies and interests that I excel at"

Nope, that wasn't one of my guesses...

;op

So you're the sneaky sod that signed me to that stupid scheme that ripped a tenner out of my account each month.

[inner dialogue]

So why do you waste all that time blogging?

Um, I have over 1000 followers.

*checks followers widget*

No you don't you deceitful fiend.

The Peach Tart July 9, 2009 4:48 AM  

Thanks for reminding me of these great persuasion techniques. I learned them in "couples" therapy with my ex. Since he is an ex, not sure if I didn't learn them good enough or too well.

otherworldlyone July 9, 2009 5:04 AM  

I don't think you're quite the shithead you make yourself out to be. But what do I know?

I love the decoy tactic. You're right... it works.

"Mr.C's advice column" should be written more often.

Proud Maisie July 9, 2009 5:14 AM  

I am sure a straw-man must be hiding around there somewhere...

The Caped Tirader July 9, 2009 5:42 AM  

MR. C.- All good lessons. I'll give them a try next time, replacing my default reactions during arguements :
1. When arguing with an idiot: Dangle my keys in front of them rendering them a drooling sack of dumb.

2. When arguing with the intelligent: Throwing a smoke bomb to the ground and running.

Thanx for the pointers

Maxie July 9, 2009 5:49 AM  

I'm so bad at playing my cards close to the chest. I guess I just get too eager.

the iNDefatigable mjenks July 9, 2009 6:42 AM  

Yeah, I got in an argument with my sister-in-law about the Catholic church and the Bible a couple of weeks ago.

The problem of arguing with a mental midget is that they're too stupid to realize you're making a strong and valid point against their case, even if you turn the argument against them and try to make them defend their reasoning.

Sally-Sal July 9, 2009 7:30 AM  

The statement "your blog is stupid" made me laugh a lot.

It made me immediately want to say "Yes, yes it is. And you found it. Purpose served."

corticoWhat July 9, 2009 8:00 AM  

Good job!

During arguments I've often used comments to un-level the playing field, like "You have something hanging from your nose."

Valerie July 9, 2009 8:42 AM  

I agree with the pink teacup girl. I've gotten free gas (and picked up on the side of the road) free parking, out of a speeding ticket and a ridiculous number of drinks and lost of "I'm sorry it will never happen again" if I combine boobs with pouting

M.J. July 9, 2009 8:52 AM  

I like resorting to "Your mama" jokes when I'm losing an argument. OR making silly faces, that works too.

Nanc Twop July 9, 2009 8:53 AM  

Ooo great, I need advice on winning an argument. Specifically the one that starts with: 'Can I see your license and registration'?...

thinkinfyou July 9, 2009 9:02 AM  

Don't get defensive.Hmmmm, I'll have to try that one! I tend to get overly defensive when someone doesn't notice the greatness that seems to radiate off me. LOL!

The Vegetable Assassin July 9, 2009 12:11 PM  

Fuck! So all those times I replied to "Your blog is stupid" by saying, "Well your FACE is stupid but I can change my blog!" were all wrong?

Man, I need a course in coping. :)

Lola Lakely July 9, 2009 1:01 PM  

As someone who greatly enjoys the art of turning things around on the other person, I found this post especially enlightening.

Good on you, Mr. Condescending. I think employing your methods as well as mine might lead to us taking over the world.

Thrice July 9, 2009 1:36 PM  

Ok..so..that's a long post so I think I'll read it later...I liked the topic, lol...thank you for following :D and here's your welcome greeting :"Hope you don't regret, enjoy the ride" :D

Girl Interrupted July 9, 2009 1:42 PM  

What if I don't WANT to win the argument? What if I'm just manouevering towards the great make-up sex that is frankly the best part of an argument?

Your blog is stupid

;)

Mr. Condescending July 9, 2009 3:29 PM  

Katie - I think that's generally true actually!

Spatzi - hope it helps :)

Melissa - thank you! I probably wouldn't devote a whole post to that, but maybe part of one.

JJ - Yeah, you are conveniently placed directly in nut punching stance.

Girl - Yes, well placed cleavage can be seriously persuasive to us!

Otin - that is always a good character trait!

Al - hope you win BIG!

MJ - thanks a ton, they don't always flounder but they will have to bring up the real issue, which is more easily handled and almost always separate from the original question. At that point the original argument is done and you have not conceded.

Mo- always so clever, but I emailed that to you.

Peach Tart - wow I would think stuff like that would not be in couples therapy!

OWO- the decoy is deadly, keep using it.

Maisie - straw man falls more intpo fallacies, which Ill cover later, thanks for mentioning it!

Caped Tirader - that technique is wonderful too, but this is about winning arguments, not stalling them.

Maxie - eagerness is next to cleanliness

Jenks - religion is always near impossible to debate intelligently. I feel your pain.

Sal - well said!

Cortico - thank you, that was a great decoy response!

Valerie - Oh do they work so well!

MJ - I can only imagine doing that during a business deal! Wow.

Nanc - show your boobs, that seems to work for others.

Thinkin - will you please add a followers widget to your blog I wanna follow it.

Veg - excellent response, your airstreamness.

Lola - thanks lol I hope so too!

GI - I'm with you on that, totally!

Jess July 9, 2009 4:15 PM  

Oh, I like this. I have a tendency to turn red or purple when I'm anxious/nervous/mad/happy. Ugh.

Soda and Candy July 9, 2009 5:24 PM  

Mr C, I felt just terrible about missing your comment, I came over here to let you know I have written you an answer!

Also, those are nice logical male tactic (except for the decoy, I use that one all the time.
But how do chicks win arguments?
1. Crying - I swear I don't use this one intentionally.
2. Show some boob - Okay this one is definitely intentional.

Soda and Candy July 9, 2009 5:27 PM  

Hahaha, and my girls The Girl with the Pink Teacup and Valerie agree with me I see!
; )

Andhari July 9, 2009 5:36 PM  

You, sir, are awesome. And I'm somehow always offended during this, sweet tactics.

Mr. Condescending July 9, 2009 5:42 PM  

Jess - thank you, hopefully no more red faced situations!

S&C - aw thanks, I thought you were ignoring me :( But all if forgiven. I do agree with the crying tactic, that would be an "appeal to emotion" where you may even admit you were wrong while deviously making him feel like the bad guy! And of course boobs always help too we have determined.

Mr. Condescending July 9, 2009 5:42 PM  

Jess - thank you, hopefully no more red faced situations!

S&C - aw thanks, I thought you were ignoring me :( But all if forgiven. I do agree with the crying tactic, that would be an "appeal to emotion" where you may even admit you were wrong while deviously making him feel like the bad guy! And of course boobs always help too we have determined.

Tiny Teacher July 9, 2009 7:40 PM  

Fantastic advice. I should start following it :)

JennyMac July 10, 2009 3:56 AM  

Wise tips...and you can also do what my mom used to do with my dad...simply say "you are RIGHT!" and walk away. She did win when he could no longer continue his rant. Love the post.

floreta July 10, 2009 6:44 AM  

great post! you do have impressive persuasion skills it seems! actually the first thing that was going thru my mind was pshhh remind me never to date you. hahaha. weary of manipulative people. but then when i saw you used your skill for good then you're alright. :P i actually knew of a guy whose job it was to catch customers stealing at a retail store.. it's a pretty hard job! you have to be the right kind of person who is observant and good at reading body language and/or people!

Simon July 10, 2009 6:54 AM  

The statement “Why do you waste time blogging all day?” falls into the “When did you stop beating your wife?” category: it should either be answered with another question, as you recommended, or if you can carry it off, with a self-assured statement such as “I don’t.” This has the advantage of being ambiguous – does it mean you don’t waste time, or you don’t blog? – but either way, it puts the ball back in their court, just as if you’d asked a question.

And of course undermining their own sense of security is essential. A sympathetic look may even help. You are trying to help them, after all. They are the ones who need help, not you.

Dutch donut girl July 10, 2009 9:01 AM  

Hee hee, great post and I love your interrogation tactics. Now that's how it’s done :) And you are right, you can’t win an argument when you raise your voice, lose your cool or come to blows. It really pisses people off when you stay as cool as a cucumber. And they go off the wall when you arch your eyebrows at them and say something like “Really, is that so?” No matter if you're right or wrong, it will give you the upper hand.
But you got to know when to stop because you can’t (or shouldn’t) win every argument (except if you are arguing with a sibling ;-)

thinkinfyou July 10, 2009 9:51 AM  

I'm on Wordpress now and I don't think they offer that feature. You can always subscribe!!!

buffalodick July 10, 2009 4:52 PM  

There is a lot of ways to get rich, and a lot of ways to go broke.. A "free one" to me from you... Don't ever think you more than someone else does.. it's a lesson you never forget..

Mr. Condescending July 11, 2009 5:33 AM  

tiny teacher - thank you, hope it works well for you

jennymac - that is nearly equal to the same annoying reponse "whatever". very deadly.

floreta - well thank you for seeing that im not such a bad person after all.

simon - yes, you are right about the "loaded question". And Im with you on the sympathetic look, sometimes I look at them like they are an alien and just move on.

Dutch girl - Its easy for you to stay cool, I read your swimming post lol.

thinkin - okay I shall do that, Ive never 'subscribed' before.

buffalodick - I have a feeling you were drinking or something when you wrote this?

Auri July 11, 2009 3:19 PM  

So... who told you your blog was stupid and you spend all your time blogging? Your mother?

=)

Tellie July 12, 2009 9:13 AM  

Great points although i am already the queen of arguing. havent lost one in forever and a day

Farah July 12, 2009 3:25 PM  

this was interesting...will use ur tips and see what happens ;)

Prunella Jones July 12, 2009 3:39 PM  

I like the decoy suggestion. It's something I use myself all the time.

"Why do you waste time blogging all day?"

I dunno, why are you fat?

Mr. Condescending July 12, 2009 8:51 PM  

Auri - hah mom would kill me if she found out about this!

Tellie - keep it up!

Farah - thanks :)

Prunella - you clever temptress.

p.huong July 13, 2009 1:21 PM  

Thanks for the advice, Mr. C. I really suck at winning arguments, which makes me wonder how I came out to be a better debater than my partner back in high school (I was in the speech and debate team. Nerd I know.)

The car sales example makes me feel like a better Asian. I've always called myself a fake Asian because I have no bargaining skillz. Thanks for the lesson.

Jenners July 13, 2009 6:46 PM  

I'm pretty sure my husband took your course as he uses these techniques against me all the time. They are extremely effective and annoying as hell.

ClaireMontgomeryMD July 14, 2009 6:09 AM  

mr. c - we really ARE two peas in a pod. i manage the complaint process for a 'small' continent for a large corporation in my real life. also - just last night (on my dream vacation where i should do whatever the hell my heart desires and wanted to read blogs since it was raining) . . . my sister got all snippy snappy with me about it and i simply said 'if you had nothing to do and could do anything, what would you want to do?' case closed.

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